Creative Mind Soul Sessions

How The Mind Creates Reality

August 25, 2020 Debra Berndt Maldonado & Robert Maldonado, PhD. — Life Coach Training & Personal Transformation Experts. Season 2 Episode 25
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Creative Mind Soul Sessions
How The Mind Creates Reality
Aug 25, 2020 Season 2 Episode 25
Debra Berndt Maldonado & Robert Maldonado, PhD. — Life Coach Training & Personal Transformation Experts.

In this episode we explore what the mind is actually doing to create the reality we experience in everyday life. We answer these questions:

  •  What is the mind?
  •  What is the true reality?
  •  What does meditation teach us about the mind, perception, and reality?
  •  How do you create something new in your life?

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Show Notes Transcript

In this episode we explore what the mind is actually doing to create the reality we experience in everyday life. We answer these questions:

  •  What is the mind?
  •  What is the true reality?
  •  What does meditation teach us about the mind, perception, and reality?
  •  How do you create something new in your life?

Are you interested in further exploring this work? Become a Certified Jungian Life Coach with the Creative Mind Method. Developed by a Ph.D and Master Life Coach, this 6-month online certification is based in Jungian psychology, philosophy, and Eastern spirituality. Enrolling now for September 15th Life Coach Training. Click to Learn More.

Discover more in our interactive Creative Mind Facebook Community.



How The Mind Creates Reality

SPEAKERS

Debra Maldonado, Robert Maldonado



Debra Maldonado 00:03

Welcome to Creative Mind Living, a podcast for personal growth based on the works of Carl Jung neuroscience and Eastern philosophies. We're your hosts Debra Berndt Maldonado and Dr. Rob Maldonado, founders of Creative Mind Coaching. So the topic today is what is the topic? The topic today is how the mind creates reality to something a little light for Friday afternoon in the summer. How do we really, what are we experiencing in life through our senses, through our mind? What is our brain doing? And then consciousness? How does it all work? We're going to answer all those questions today and how to create the reality you want.



Robert Maldonado 00:52

Right because a lot of his information is already out there. There's a lot of scientists talking about consciousness, how it works. Of course, with the wisdom traditions have known these things for a long, long time. But there's been kind of a split between the scientific paradigm and the wisdom tradition paradigms. So now they're coming together. And it's an exciting time to be alive and to understand consciousness in this new way. And so hopefully, we can put some of the pieces together for you. And also think about the implications of this. Right, because it's not just about thinking in theory. What are these incredible findings mean about how our mind works? But also, what does it mean for our everyday life? Because if it's not practical for us, why do we need it? You know, it's great stuff.



Debra Maldonado 01:57

Things to contemplate about. So let me start with the question, what is the mind? Because a lot of people think the mind is our thoughts and our thinking is our mind. But there's so much more to our mind. And so how would you describe what our mind is?



Robert Maldonado 02:16

Yeah, I think a good distinction to have is the distinction between the mind and consciousness because in the West, we're used to thinking about consciousness as thoughts. So as soon as there's a cause, we think well, that's consciousness. But in reality, that's the mind. The mind is the one that does the thinking, the processing, the kind of putting everything together for us. But consciousness appears to be a more fundamental element of the universe. It predates the mind. 



Debra Maldonado 02:55

Predates humans. The brain and the thinking. The awareness of ourselves.



Robert Maldonado 03:02

Yes. So it's an important distinction because as we talk about consciousness, we're not necessarily just talking about cognition like thinking and like I'm conscious and aware, right? We're talking when we say the mind. We're talking about our subjective experience of how we interpret the world and how we deal with it. That's the mind. But consciousness doesn't have any objects. So that's a strange concept for the West. We're thinking always, well, if I'm perceiving something, that's consciousness, but that's the mind perceiving something, right? There's a subject and an object. I am perceiving that thing. Whereas, in consciousness, there are no objects and there is no distinction between the observer and the object itself. Both are kind of arising in that awareness of consciousness.



Debra Maldonado 04:03

So consciousness is basically like a oneness, like kind of a oneness. People talk about that unlimited potential or possibilities and in quantum physics. They talk about that everything is pure potential. And then when the mind puts a judgment or a label on it, it becomes a form. And so that kind of like consciousness has every possibility in it and then it collapses into a something that the mind perceives and then it becomes very limited. So very, very cool stuff. So when we think about the mind, so we have this consciousness is unlimited possibility and then it collapses into a limited experience. So we don't experience ourselves as unlimited beings, we experience ourselves as having limitations of having a body and having a certain amount of money in the account and relationships and health wise and all those things that we kind of define ourselves and define the world. What's limited in the world? And so, what creates that limitation? What's the mechanism that creates that limitation?



Robert Maldonado 05:17

Yeah. Well, let's think about our mind, and remember this is our individual mind, not not consciousness, the mind, our individuals mind, our individual minds, borrow consciousness. In a sense, it is the consciousness is the awareness, the pure awareness, without the objects without the kind of the subjective and objective experience. The subjective experience meaning, how I experienced the world and the objective experience like how the world works. We agree on, you and I agree on two different minds agreeing. That's what we're seeing, right? That's what we're both experiencing. And we both agree on that. That's the objective experience. Those experiences, our minds construct them. And we construct them based basically by agreeing on them. And we use language to agree.



Debra Maldonado 06:25

Language is the kind of form in itself.



Robert Maldonado 06:28

It gives the world form and meaning. 



Debra Maldonado 06:32

And name and form. 



Robert Maldonado 06:33

That's right. And so when we agree on something, it appears that, well, if we're both experiencing the same thing as out there, it must be real. We just assume that it must be objective, meaning it must be existing outside of our minds. But that's the kind of illusion that the mind creates.



Debra Maldonado 07:00

That there's a real reality out there. So I love in Eastern philosophy, they talk about the pure, the apparent reality, and the absolute reality. 



Robert Maldonado 07:14

That's right. 



Debra Maldonado 07:15

And so the absolute reality is that consciousness is just this potential. And then the apparent reality is what we collapse into our mind creates the story in the name and form that creates this apparent reality. And so, is it fair to say that everything we perceive is not as real as we think it is?



Robert Maldonado 07:39

Yeah, that's fair to say. But we have to be careful with the word real.



Debra Maldonado 07:46

Yeah. Or as it's not. It doesn't necessarily appear as our mind experiences and we're not seeing the whole truth. Would that be fair to say?



Robert Maldonado 07:58

Yes, absolutely.



Debra Maldonado 08:00

So when you look at your bank account, and you say, just an example, I have, you know, 10,000 in my account, and I feel really good. That's just an apparent reality. Because we're, first of all, an assumption, we have our past experience, which led the karma of having us having that $10,000. And then our mind is also saying that's a good thing or a bad thing. For some people having 10,000 in the bank is like, wow, I'm rich. And for other people, that perception is, whoa, my God, what am I going to do? I only have 10,000 in the bank. So it's that perception and all those things that fill in that reality. And then, in groups, we have this joint agreement of what is a lot of money and what isn't a lot of money and based on who we hang out with. And then that also creates this kind of reality. And then that feedback goes into our body and we say, I'm either happy or sad, either excited or stressed. And so we're looking at this reality, seeing what our mind is projecting onto that reality and based on what we've experienced in the past and then making and then reacting to that. But what we're really not understanding is that our mind is the cause of that $10,000 and the cause of what we feel about that 10,000.



Robert Maldonado 09:25

Yeah, that's a good way to put it. There's a little metaphor in Vedanta that is useful in understanding this kind of difference between the absolute and the apparent. So they say, imagine a person walking on a path as it's getting dark. And there's a rope on the side of the path. But because it's getting dark, the person misperceived the rope as a snake. So they use that to explain kind of how we experience the world. That the absolute reality is the rope in, in essence. It's that one consciousness that we all share.



Debra Maldonado 10:14

It's kind of doesn't have like a positive or negative. It's just there.



Robert Maldonado 10:19

it's the awareness, the pure awareness that we experience at the core of ourselves really. But the snake, the appearance of the snake, is the way we perceive the world. It appears to be that way to us. And of course, we react as if it's real, in a sense, because it helps us survive. It helps us perceive the world in this kind of value system. Is this good for me, or is this bad?



Debra Maldonado 10:49

Is this scary or is it safe?



Robert Maldonado 10:51

Yes. So it helps us survive. Definitely the aparent reality really is meant for our survival so we can experience the world. But the absolute reality is very different. Right? It's a foundational reality that is at the core of our being, of our awareness. Getting to that, though, is advisable. And here's where we get into, what are the implications of that? Why is it important to understand that besides just a kind of philosophical experiment?



Debra Maldonado 11:28

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Robert Maldonado 12:20

And the reason it's important is because a lot of people tell us, well, it's not very practical. I want the practical. Tell me what I need to do. But it's the most practical to understand this deeper reality. Because if you think if you're misperceiving reality, all your efforts and their energy are wasted. You're chasing a mirage. Basically, you're thinking, there's a snake when there is no snake. 



Debra Maldonado 12:52

Just like, let's go back to the example of the $10,000. Say you think that's a terrible low number, like you say you want to have a Hundred Thousand in the bank or that's where you'll feel comfortable. And your rents like 11,000 or something and your 10,000, like where your bills are going to be more than 10,000 a month. So you're going to, if you have the wrong understanding of reality or incorrect understanding, a false perception, you're thinking that's all there is right? And it's not enough. And then what you're doing is with the mind of it's not enough and that's all there is. You're trying to take action to get more with the assumption that it's already not enough and you don't have enough. And so what's going to happen is that 10,000 is going to dwindle away and then it's going to create more panic, and your mind is going to feed. It's a snake. It's a snake. It's a snake. And then you're going to see zero in your bank account, which is not funny, but it could happen. It's happened before in many people's lives, and we feel like the answer is external from us. We keep thinking that the money itself, if I have 100,000 in the bank, that's gonna make me all of a sudden feel relaxed again, like, I need to change that apparent reality out there. And I love what you taught in one of our classes. One time when you were teaching this, you said, we're really just trying to change one apparent reality for another. And so let's say you do, create 100,000 that's great. But if your mind is still thinking that defines me. That's what makes me feel safe. That is so real, and I can relax now. You're still caught up in the illusion. And so it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 or 100,000. The illusion is that the money itself has more value than you do or power than you do. And we do this with relationships. We do this with our bodies. When I lose 20 pounds. When I find my love. When my husband, you know, or my partner proposes. When I have my first child. All these things that we put out in our life as this reality that we want to create that if we place, see it as when it's not there as a snake, there's this terrible thing. That's what our experience is going to be and then we carry that into the next experience. So I'd love to ask you another question is how do we construct this reality like just from a neuroscience perspective? We understand what the brain is doing. And there's been so many studies, and I know this is probably way too deep for like just one class, but this idea that we, our brain, construct something and then we see what our brain tells us is out there versus what is actually out there. And we know this from neuroscience as well. Not only the ancient wisdom traditions are saying there's this apparent reality, but now we know about the brain and how it's constructing reality.



Robert Maldonado 15:55

Yeah, but there's a difference between the scientific understanding and that direct experience. So it then comes through the wisdom traditions, and because you reach the same conclusion essentially. But when you reach the conclusion through the scientific method, you're still outside of it. It's still just a formula for you whereas the east is emphasizing a direct perception of it. You're clarifying your perception. You're having a direct experience of the the rope. You're seeing through the the apparent illusion of the snake, and you're perceiving reality as it truly is. Whereas when you figure out through the scientific method that okay, the rope is a is creating a mirage.And there's a you know, kind of a 



Debra Maldonado 16:54

I'm expecting to see. I'm afraid of snakes so that my brain is like wired to look out for some danger, and so it's going to project into that experience. And that's what it creates, an image in your mind and then it's projected out onto the world.



Robert Maldonado 17:09

It's an intellectual understanding of it, but it's not a direct experience of it.



Debra Maldonado 17:14

So that's a great question. So how can we, and that's point number two, is really, how can we create a direct experience? How can our mind see the true reality, the absolute reality?



Robert Maldonado 17:28

Yeah. So it has to do 



Debra Maldonado 17:30

And get out of the delusion of the aparent. 



Robert Maldonado 17:33

Right, right. From the wisdom traditions, it says, Maya, this ability of the world to appear to us in a different way, right? It appears to us as we expect it to appear. That's Maya essentially. It says it has two functions. First, it covers over the true reality, which is that oneness of consciousness. It covers it over and then it projects onto it our expectations. Right? So those two functions are what we're working with as we want to move towards perceiving, having a direct experience with virtual reality. That first we have to understand it intellectually, like it gives us the map. What is really happening here? When I observe something, whether it be a great experience for me or a terrible experience for me, what am I experiencing? Because it's the apparent reality that I'm experiencing and understanding that it's not the absolute. Right? That it is an appearance gives me a way into correcting my misperception.



Debra Maldonado 18:55

Well, and you know, in relationship series, talk about the Jungian Shadow Work and how we project what our fears are onto other people. And we tend to see people that are pulling out the things we're pushing away. So, for an example, let's say that there's a new person that shows up at work, like this happened to me. Actually, I'll give you a really good example is that I started a new job. And I was hired and I was like, so happy I got this job. And the boss really was excited because I was very few people back in the early 90s that had any internet experience, working in internet company and he wanted that was his like, kind of thing. And really, it was very, very new back in the stone age's of internet, but I didn't know this but there was a girl that they all liked. It was a bunch of girls in the group, the team, and they wanted this one girl Carolyn to get that job because they love Carolyn, and she's so sweet. And she's so nice. And she was working like as a consultant and she was like waiting, waiting to get a full time job there. And he brought me in. So I swooped in and he pulled me in, and he goes, well, and he's like, they're not public. This other team might not be as nice to you because of this situation with this other girl. And so, in their minds, they projected onto me this terrible woman that took over Carolyn, you know, took our friend Carolyn away. And now there's this other woman that we have to deal with, and she's this terrible person. And they're mad at the boss for doing it and then that was projected on to me. And I started and it was people were really mean to me, and it was like, that's kind of apparent reality. The apparent reality, they projected all this stuff. And then I just, for some reason, I had the wisdom of knowing. I know people like me, like I'm a good person and every team I've ever worked on, people ended up liking me. And you know, it's just a wait till they get to know me. And I just kept holding that in my mind and not like letting it bother me. And then of course, it turned out fine. But that's kind of that idea is that we end up having an expectation of a person and then we end up projecting onto them. And you know, it's interesting, when I left the company, everyone had a goodbye party and they're like, what are we going to do without you? And I said, I remember my first week you guys gave me hell, like you hated me. And they were like, yeah, we feel so bad. But it is that kind of idea that we see in people what we expect to see. And so in relationships and work, we end up misperceiving a reality and what's happening with our bosses and our team and, you know, even friendships and all those things.



Robert Maldonado 21:39

Well, that's a good example. Because basically what it boils down to is this, that we have this ego persona and that functions as a way of interacting with the apparent reality for us, right? It's our survival kit, in a sense, where we're given this kit so that we can survive in the world. But as we get to a certain stage in our lives, we want to know what's underneath the veil, right, the woods beyond the appearance of things. And that reality then we can access it directly by thinking about what triggers us in the situations because what triggers us is kind of getting at the deeper assumptions of what is going on. Like for example, why are we projecting those things onto these people in our lives, or why



Debra Maldonado 22:40

Are they a threat.



Robert Maldonado 22:42

Yeah, those things onto us. It's because of their conditioning, right, their subjective experiences in their lives like how they grew up, what they experienced with their parents, with their peers. All that creates for them what they then projected onto others.



Debra Maldonado 23:01

But don't you think that for me, I didn't fall into that reality, like I could have easily fell into the reality of I must be terrible. People are so mean to me. And if I was insecure about myself and who I was that I would end up feeling resentful for them and hating them and making it even worse. But it was almost like this is not this droids we're looking for. I was just kind of this is not the reality I'm going to be in. So it's like holding the vision of who I am and who I'm going to be in that situation. That's how we change the reality is I could have easily just bought into their projections and I would have been entangled in that. And I think that's what we mostly do is we buy into other people's projections of us and then we play back our insecurities back at them and we're living in this reality that's not even real. And, you know, a lot of people say when you speak to someone, your mother's famous, when you speak you understand each other. And so many misunderstandings and relationships are about these false perceptions and false realities and what's really happening. And it can really destroy people because, like for me, if I would have allowed that whole team to define me, I would have been depressed and, you know, really doubting myself and taking it all personally. No one likes me. But it was I just said, You know what, I know who I am. I know, I'm funny. I know, they're gonna like me. I'm a fun person. I've had good relationships with people before.



Robert Maldonado 24:38

I don't think people like me. 



Debra Maldonado 24:39

People like me. And it was true. I just had it in me that you're not going to define me, but if I didn't, it would have played out much differently. So we have to kind of, you know, the third step, the question is how do we create our own? And part of it is, we really have to understand who we are beyond the ego and I. That's really the first step or else we're going to just keep playing out the condition patterns of how we were trained to see. Basically, we're trained to see the world through a certain lens.



Robert Maldonado 24:45

Yeah. So I wanted to get back to the idea of what's real and not okay. Because in the West, when they look at this, what the East has said about consciousness, they misinterpret that as meaning that the world is not real. But it's the wrong question. In a sense, it's not about being real.



Debra Maldonado 25:37

It's not an illusion.



Robert Maldonado 25:39

Well, I mean, it is but let's put it this way. It's an apparent reality. But there's not like a, let's say that it doesn't mean that we're not experiencing it.



Debra Maldonado 25:57

It's not like invisible.



Robert Maldonado 25:59

Our experience inside of it, our experience of the world is what is real to us. And that is our reality. So that's what we can say that is real in the kind of in the western sense that, you know, we're looking for something that's real. Well, yeah, your experience of it is what we call real. All we're saying is that the nature of that real, 



Debra Maldonado 26:25

What we're experiencing. 



Robert Maldonado 26:27

Yeah, what we're experiencing is dreamlike. That the mind is creating it from the basis of consciousness, just like a dream. If you think about the dream you had last night, where did it come from? Well, it arose from your mind.



Debra Maldonado 26:47

The buildings and the people.



Robert Maldonado 26:49

Your mind constructed it, created it, created the drama, the emotions. 



Debra Maldonado 26:53

How did you know I had drama in my dream last night? 



Robert Maldonado 26:56

And so you cannot separate the dream from the dreamer, right? You cannot say, oh, that reality, that dream experience.



Debra Maldonado 27:05

There's some other reality was placed in my brain, or I was somewhere else. There was actually another world I was in.



Robert Maldonado 27:12

That's right. Or you can't say that dream reality existed without the dreamer somehow. They go together. This experience of the waking world is very similar. It exists, but for us, but it exists as this apparent reality very much like a dream because our mind generates it. Our mind creates it. Now the implications of that is that we can learn to direct it just like people learn to lucid dream where they're able to experience the dream reality in a conscious way.



Debra Maldonado 27:58

So I think there's always these, like I always think of them as choice points where every moment we can choose how we perceive something. And then in that choice, we get to live at a different possibility. And in every moment, there's unlimited choices. You know, I could have, in that situation, been jerky back to the women that were so mean to me and cold and jealous and whatever they were doing. They were catty talking about me. Or I could have been crying, you know. I could have had all these different things, but I chose to create what I thought was going to happen, like I already planted the seed. And that's what the reality is. It's almost like we can create a groove into our new reality. But I don't think most people do that. And I can't believe I even thought that, but I just, you know, it's something that came to me. But a lot of people just assume they have no power to create. So they end up reacting to the stimulus based on how they reacted before. And they feel like they're Groundhog Day over and over. The same things, the same relationships, the same struggles with money, the same struggles with health and all these things keep happening. Because we don't realize that in every moment, there's that choice point where we could start directing it. And so how does someone start practicing that?



Robert Maldonado 29:24

Yeah, I mean, it is a process of shifting your perception to where you're understanding, what you're seeing, in the truer sense, right? And gradually kind of arriving at the true conclusion that your mind is creating it. It's generating this apparent reality from your past experiences. Now, as you realize that, your mind has been using your past experiences as a template for what is happening right now in the moment. But as you free yourself from the misperception that that's all you can do is create from your past, you're free now to generate a reality from your imagination. That's why in Buddhism and Hinduism they say your thoughts create your reality. But what they mean, of course, is once you understand this, once you understand that the mind is generating your reality.



Debra Maldonado 30:34

So here's that's a really good point. I want to say this, and we can talk about this. The money in the bank, right? If you're attached to it, it's like you're believing that it's real. Like if you think well, when I get that, I want to use this knowledge, right? I want to use this knowledge so I can have 100,000 in the bank instead of 10,000. You know, have all this higher knowledge, but what you're doing is you're making that money real, like it's gonna be real in some way. And it's going to give you real comfort in some way. And that's what you're saying is a misperception. People want to weight watch, you know, the secret 20 years ago came out, and everyone was like meditating and visualizing. And, yeah, you can create reality in a way but what happens is we end up getting attached to what we create or what we don't create. And then it becomes big anxiety in people's lives of still clinging to this world. I want to make it the way I want it. And if it's not the way I want it, you know, I'm going to be unhappy. And ultimately, we end up just being misled into this believing that this apparent reality is actually going to give us anything real and true. And the best way to live life, in my opinion, and experience of life is to understand that higher knowledge that it is apparent reality. So when you do create that hundred thousand, it doesn't define you. It's like, Oh, this just like play. It's fun. It's, Wow, I'm actually seeing the effect of my mind versus that's going to give me comfort. So for me the comfort is knowing that I'm creating the reality around that. I'm the cause that gives me more comfort than anything physical that can be experienced.



Robert Maldonado 32:28

Very much. So if you think about your experience, and here it's not metaphysics because we can all test this in our own mind, observe anything in the world, and it's always changing. It's not still for a second. It's always morphing into something different. That principle, that's Maya. It's always moving. It's always changing continuously. The only thing doesn't change is your awareness of it.



Debra Maldonado 33:04

So your awareness of the 10,000, your awareness of the hundred thousand is actually the only thing that is the absolute reality. Everything else is a perception. Because in that apparent reality, there are judgments. There's feelings. There's emotions. There's a feeling of relaxation or stress or whatever comes up with that experience. But the pure awareness is the only absolute reality because it's the absolute. Reality is unchanging and then the world is the changing world.



Robert Maldonado 33:37

Right. So if we ask, what's the difference between a dream and this reality? They're both Maya. They're both appearances generated by the mind, but the awareness of both, the dream and this reality, is the pure the true reality because it's the constant in both. Whereas the dreamlike change and this reality changes, the awareness doesn't change. And if you notice, it doesn't change throughout our life. You have the same awareness that you had as a child, and you will have the same awareness when you're 95 years old.



Debra Maldonado 34:18

Well, the cool thing is too is if you look back at you have that same awareness when you were five, but then when you remember, pull memories back, which are stored in different parts of the brain, so the memory is also an apparent reality. As an adult, you can look at something much different with a different perspective, the same event as you did much differently. 



Robert Maldonado 34:39

But that's the mind. 



Debra Maldonado 34:40

Yeah. 



Robert Maldonado 34:41

That's the mind. That's not the awareness. The pure awareness is simply observing. It's like the witness in the mind. 



Debra Maldonado 34:47

But the mind of the five year old is going to first of all evolve. But the way she looks at something that happened is much different than the 50 year old that looks back at that memory. 



Robert Maldonado 35:01

Yes, but memory The awareness. Memories are objects, let's say. Just like our bodies are objects, they keep changing, right? They keep morphing and changing. But the awareness doesn't change. So anything that changes 



Debra Maldonado 35:15

So we're aware of wherever our judgments of those things. We're aware that the judgement changes.



Robert Maldonado 35:21

That's right, so it's a very simple rule if it changes, if it morphs into something different, then it's part of Maya, right? It's part of the apparent reality. It doesn't mean it's not real. You're experiencing, but its nature is morphing into something different every time. The constant, though, never changes, which is the the observer, the witness of that change.



Debra Maldonado 35:49

And so just to tie up, really, truly one would say, well, wouldn't it be better to just be in the absolute reality and this like pure awareness and bliss. But it's actually in the apparent reality that we have an experience of being alive and having goals and having dreams and having people we love come into our life, come out of our life, the sadness, the joy. And the sadness, the stress, and the peace, that duality is really what gives us the kind of an experience and meaning where the pure awareness is just watching. And I love in the Upanishads they say there's two birds sitting in the tree. One bird is eating the bitter and sweet fruits of life, while the other bird is watching and non attachment. And we need to have both experiences. Ao you know, a lot of people think spiritual work is about leaving the world and not believing anything and not having a, you know, like just abandoning money and relationships and just kind of going into our blissful place. But it's in the engagement with the world and in the messiness of the world, that actually helps us understand who we really are. So it's a duality. The changing world helps us understand that change lis part of ourselves, and we need both. And I always hear that God created us so we can experience himself through us, like that pure awareness can have that. It's kind of like we need a mirror an experience of duality to understand. We can't understand joy if we don't know pain. We can't understand daytime if we don't have night. Although in California, we don't understand rain because it never rains here. But I think people say they love the seasons. They love the change. They love the world. And if we only had, you know, if we live forever and everything was perfect, this kind of ideal life, I think we'd get bored after a while. We'd want to like have a little fun and drama in our life. And I think part of our journey is to be afraid and be scared and do things we don't think we can do, so we can have both parts of our life, the spiritual experience and then the human experience. 



Robert Maldonado 38:09

That's a good point. We could not understand infinity if we didn't experience the finite. The limited experience of life.



Debra Maldonado 38:19

So one thing you can do is you could think about, look at your reality right now, the apparent reality, and understand that you're only seeing what you assume is there. And so think about a part of your life you want to change and what your judgments are about your current results in that area. And if you can, just be open and contemplate in a meditation of this isn't the reality I want to create, and I have the power to create something else. But it's in the knowing you have the power that actually gives you the security not in the when I create that thing, I'll relax. And it's kind of taking it a step beyond the law of attraction kind of stuff where you're going to just create another apparent reality. The true comfort is that you can be in the eye of the hurricane and not get pulled into the storm. And to know that the world is going to be changing, there's going to be good luck, bad luck all the time in your life. And to know that no matter what happens out there, you don't lose yourself. There's a center within yourself. That is true power. It's not about rearranging the world to make you feel comfortable. It's about changing your mind. So no matter what the world does, you can direct it and move it in that direction. And I think that's really truly where you can create what you want is without the attachment. And it's not that you can't have those things, but it's the way you go about it. It's actually going to dictate how happy you are when you get them. Right?



Robert Maldonado 40:03

That's a great way to put it. Yes.



Debra Maldonado 40:06

Okay. Well take care everyone. Have a wonderful rest of your weekend and Happy Friday. 



Robert Maldonado 40:11

See you next time. .



Debra Maldonado 40:21

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